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Mutual respect for friend Chandra.

Does God exist or does he not.
We cannot prove it either way.
Though arguments wax strong and hot.
What does it matter anyway.

If you have faith and you believe
Perhaps that makes it true for you
If I lack faith and can’t perceive
things in the same way that you do.

That does not mean that you are right
nor does it mean that I am wrong.
Although our views are opposite
It’s possible to get along.

We can agree to disagree.
There’s no need for disharmony.

Sunday,24 January 2010
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Tolerance.

If you ask me politely
Invariably I will comply
But if you try to compel me
then your demand I will deny.
As I have every right to do
You have your views and I have mine
and they are most unlikely to be
close enough so they combine.
Into a view we both agree
I’m tolerant and you are not
You see my views as heresy.
Which does nor really help a lot.
Some see your views as bigotry
and who am I to disagree.

Wednesday,13 January 2010
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Either or: both can't be true fpr Joe Poewhit

No one canprove that God exists.
No one can prove that God does not
and yet the arguments persists.

I do not know which view is true.
Nobody does apparently.
What you believe is true for you.

What I believe is true for me.
I think the evidence suggests
we should agree to disagree.

Accept the possibility
that either viewpoint could be true.
God could be fact or fantasy.

Why should we argue fruitlessly.
An argument no one can win.
God must remain a mystery,

Tuesday,22 December 2009
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Mutual antipathy.

Mutual antipathy

monotetra

I cannot say with certainty
that I am right though I might be.
You have the right to disagree.
I will consider carefully
the reasons that you offer me.
As to why you can’t agree.
I think that very possibly
there’s little possibility
That you will ever agree with me
You can’t admit that I might be
correct. Because you dislike me.
You are not thinking logically
I cannot claim with honesty
that I am quite prejudice free.
I don’t like you, you don’t like me.
At least on that we can agree.

Sunday,01 August 2010
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Watch and Pray.

A baby who was born too soon.
Is struggling bravely to survive
Perhaps the Gods will grant the boon
we ask and let this tiny baby live.
For now we watch with bated breath
for any sign of progress made
with our support to fend off death.
We hope and pray she makes the grade.
We can but wait and hope and pray
There's nothing else that we can do.
Nature has the final say
She can make our dreams come true.
Nature can correct mistakes
Total faith is all it takes.

Sunday,31 January 2010
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Infidels prayer.

It seems from mankind’s history,
that there is and will always be.
Some new compelling reason why.
Men are prepared to fight and die
in pursuit of some abstract cause.
They think they have the right to force
on other men who disagree
and will resist them violently.
Religions come, religions go
and every new one claims to know.
Much better than the ones before
and is prepared to go to war.
On anyone who disagrees.
God save me form religion please.

Sunday,31 January 2010
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I choose to protest openly.

I choose to protest openly.

I’m cynical, satirical.
Politically incorrect.
Though you agree in principal.
I sometimes think that you suspect.

I’m sometimes economical
With the truths I try to expose.
You think it may be probable.
My acid comments are a pose.

You hold your tongue in self defence.
Although you do not disagree.
You hesitate to give offence.
To the prevailing powers that be.

By staying silent you assent.
To tyranny by government.

Sunday,15 January 2012
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Fuzzy Logic.

Between the worlds the boundary.
Sometimes grows thin and disappear.
Fantasy and reality
Which is which no longer clear.
Imagination can supply
Alternative scenarios
Where normal rules do not apply
But are they real? nobody knows
It may well be that it is so
I can accept a different view
I do not really want to know
whether or not that it is true
I can believe quite easily
there is no definite boundary.

Sunday,17 January 2010
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Blinded by Bias.

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Most scientists hypothesise.
Then try to prove their theories
Dame nature cuts them down to size.
Producing further mysteries.

Results they cannot replicate
although they try their very best
It seems they don’t appreciate.
There is no scientific test.

Which proves or disproves E.S.P.
They disregard the evidence
that conflicts with their theory.
They conclude it makes no sense.
Because their methodology
lacks any credibility.

Sunday,30 January 2011
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Before the beginning

Why does the human race exist?
Unanswered questions will persist.

Philosophers and scientists
All try to penetrate the mists.

It seems as if each answer found,
leads to a question more profound.

It often seems the evidence
flies in the face of common sense.

Some premises I accept as true
may seem quite different to you.

The things we know or think we know.
Frequently prove to be not so.

It all depends how we perceive
the so called facts which we believe.

Is there a God it would seem so.
I can believe but do not know.

We cannot prove it either way
and so unanswered questions stay.

Unanswered now as they have done
since mans history was begun.

Although we ask we get no reply
Is God still there or did he die?

16/04/2009

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Waltz time for MY Lady Irene.

I
Hold you
In my arms.

We
begin
a slow waltz

One
two three
one two three.

I
ask you
to be mine.

You
Agree
Instantly.

We
both knew
without doubt.

You
love me
I love you.

We
will dance
together.

In
Perfect
Harmony.

As
we were
meant to do.

For
ever
and a day.

Monday,25 January 2010
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Doubletalk for Friend Thad

I don’t accept coinicidence
although some things seem synchronised.
I can’t believe it is by chance.
Although I know my view defies.
What is accepted usually
by other folks who disagree.
The tend to look askance at me.
Regard my stance contemptuously
As they are quite entitled to.
Its only an hypothesis
I cannot prove that it is true.
But I would feel it most remiss
to deny synchronicity.
I’d see that as duplicity..

18-May-08

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Am I? for friend Thad.

I think therefore I am but I
can only be aware of me.
If I should ask could you reply
with well considered honesty.

I am as I appear to be
to myself with my inner eye
Or do you see me differently
and if so can you tell me why.

Or will you simply lie to me
and tell me what I want to hear.
Because you think that you can see
the truth might be too much to bear.

I think therefore I am but I
Cannot claim true validity
There’s no real way to verify.
The simple fact that I am me.

Monday,25 January 2010
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Opposing views.

Opposing views.

Alone outlined against the skies.
An ancient druid proudly stands
Or so it seems to human eyes.
Upright erect with outstretched hands.
As if appealing for Gods aid
Against the Roman conquerors
Who have decided to invade
and stamp the old ways out by force.
But only when the sun is high
At other times it’s just a tree.
A trick of light deceives the eye.
Although the locals disagree.
They disregard the experts view.
For they still hold the legend true.

Friday,12 November 2010
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Bardic tradition

The yarns I spin to entertain
are never wholly fictional
I let sufficient truth remain
so they can seem quite factual.
Sometimes I find readers accept
My narratives as being true.
Although it’s not what I expect
it makes me proud to think they do.
From the feed back which I receive
It seems I unintentionally
create something they can believe.
It’s highly complimentary.
Though fashions change, bards can still spin
a likely tale to take you in.

Saturday,30 January 2010
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Posers Pay.

They say the camera never lies.
But you may find to your surprise,
not only that they can but do.
Glamour shots are seldom true.
They have been air brushed probably
to change the image that you see
and alter the reality
to cater to sheer vanity.
If you’re prepared to pay his fee.
I’m sure the snapper will agree
To airbrush out each small defect
Which makes you look less than perfect.
Of course the camera does not lie
it just fulfils your fantasy.

Tuesday,15 June 2010
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Case Hardened for Joe Poewhit

A macho man must strut his stuff.
Because he lacks the sense to see
That any man who’s man enough
Can let his feelings show freely
Secure in his identity
He does not care what other say
about his masculinity.
He chooses to go his own way.
But macho men feel they must hide
behind a shield of bravado
But deep inside they’re terrified
that other people get to know.
Their attitude is self defence
their bravado is all pretence

Sunday,17 January 2010
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I lnow I think so I must be for Friend Michael

I think therefore I am; To me
this does not seem at all correct.
I am therefore I think; Would be
much more accurate I suspect.
I do not let it worry me.
Though J.P.Sartre was concerned
I am content to merely be.
That is one lesson I have learned.
Why should I worry needlessly
about the things I do not know.
I have my own philosophy
I just accept it must be so
I can think, therefore I exist.
That is the truth I must insist.

Monday,17 May 2010
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Voluntary exile.

One day the dragons will return.
A privilege we have to earn.
The fled from our belligerence
They had to flee in self defence.

The dragons know humanity
Has not yet reached maturity.
The do not doubt that in due course.
Men will give up the use of force.

To resolve every argument.
But talk when war is imminent.
Learn to use diplomacy.
Which works much more effectively.

Than fighting for supremacy
When two nations disagree.
This world could be a paradise.
If we can learn to compromise.

The dragons will return again.
Resume their mentorship of man
When we mature sufficiently
and can agree to disagree.

The dragons know the day will come
when once again they are welcome.
To arbitrate impartially
as mentors of humanity.

Although I may not live to see
The silver dragons flying free
Above the earth as they should be.
The guardians of humanity.

Is this a dream, a fantasy
Which is peculiar to me?
That judgement I must leave to you.
Though I believe it to be true.

Saturday,21 January 2012
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Absolute proof.

Absolute proof

Blood, sweat and tears don’t disappear
But always leave some trace behind.
Forensic science makes it clear
there’s always something we can find
A fibre here or just a hair.
A finger print that you have missed.
All tend to prove that you were there.
The smallest clue can still persist.
You’re sure; you’ll get away Scott free
The evidence says otherwise.
It will prove quite definitely.
Your alibi’s a pack of lies.
The final proof your DNA.
Will prove to you crime does not pay.

Wednesday,22 September 2010
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Inalienable right.

All hail to ale, good honest ale
the comforter when all else fails.
The lack of ale makes stout hearts fail.
Attempts to ban it doomed to fail.
When things are looking at their worst.
A man has need to quench his thirst
Ale is what men think of first
A man would truly be accursed.
Should he attempt to interfere
between a thirsty man and beer.
There is no doubt its very clear.
Without ale life would be too drear.
It is a right for which I’d fight.
Ripe nappy ale is my delight.

Saturday,08 May 2010
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